Mystery 'bolt mounted' peep-sight sells

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Mystery 'bolt mounted' peep-sight sells

Post by butlersrangers » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:26 am

This Krag sporter sold today on GunBroker. It is more interesting than most 'cut-downs'.
(Sold by John Miller Parts, it went for just under $500, with shipping).

I was mildly interested, but, stayed out of the auction, when I noticed a fellow KCA member had the top bid. (I don't know who ultimately won the item).

Hoot brought this amazing rear-sight to our attention, back in September, 2019. Pictures of it were posted on doublegunshop.com and we marveled at the labor that went into it.

Actually, the whole "cut-down" Krag is a nice looking package with some valuable parts.

The 1894 dated Receiver was never 'notched' for a Bolt 'hold-open' pin. (There is a novel small groove at the magazine cut-off 'niche' to stabilize the 'peep' sight).

The bolt and extractor are model 1892 parts. The bolt-sleeve is model 1892.

The whole rig is too cute and well thought out to pillage for parts!

(I keep looking. I believe that is a 'long wrist' Stock)?

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Post by Knute1 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:32 am

The look reminds of the Model 1917 "American Enfield".

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Post by Rcat7147 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:10 pm

I got outbid at $440, I think.
It would have looked nice with my 1903 Sporters.
I wouldnt call this a sporter exactly but a nicely done sporterized rifle. 
Even without the sight Id like, but that sight is too cool.  I may one day regret not bidding more haha.

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Post by butlersrangers » Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:29 pm

Rcat7147 - I was hoping you would get it!

I hope it went to a good home. It is a nicely done hunting Krag and deserves to stay together.

Such a Krag would put many in conflict and is at risk of 'being parted out'.

The sight appears unique and requires the early bolt-sleeve & safety. (It can't be switched to most other Krags).

The desirable action, bolt, and extractor are model 1892 and beg to be restored to an early model 1892 with a 'long wrist' stock and clearing-rod.

Oh, what to do!

(I hope it is appreciated, stays together, and gets used).

All kinds of ethics and judgment needed here. It sold for a reasonable price.

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Post by FredC » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:57 pm

The sight has an advantage over the striker mounts as it does not move when the trigger is pulled. Like the rest I hope it stays together. The designing and machine work to build such a thing would cost way over $1000.00 at today's normal hourly rates.
Would guess a machinist or gunsmith made it for himself.

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Post by S99VG » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:31 pm

Seems to me this was the second time that Krag went up on GB.  I remember seeing that sight a few months ago so it was either that gun or another one with a similar sight.  Can anyone identify the sight?  I certainly can't.

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Post by FredC » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:04 pm

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=555451#Post555451

This is the thread I think BR referred too. The pictures could have been his own or copied from another link?


Further down that same page is another odd sight.
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=553118#Post553118
Looks to be a no drill sight, not sure who made it. The cocking piece looks to be modified also.

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Post by butlersrangers » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:48 pm

That Mannlicher-stocked Krag is pretty cute.

I don't think I've seen a Krag cocking-piece so drastically altered before.

The bolt-sleeve has its corners beveled, too.

The 'peep' sight on the 'Mannlicher' could be a very early (vernier) "Pacific" sight, replacing the magazine cut-off.


(The GunBroker 'model 1892 hunting-carbine', seems to have a sight that is a 'one-of-a-kind' machinist creation.
I'd love to measure it. It kind of looks like the main body could be cut from the rear of a Luger frame.
Maybe it was Leroy Rice's patent model?
The doublegun forum & GB items are the same rifle and sight).

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Post by mavt » Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:37 am

Certainly a unique sight but for all that went into it does it do much more than the simpler Rice sight? It appears to attach at the same point - the extractor bolt hole or rivet hole on later models - but requires the hockey stick-like projections on each side to keep it in line with the bore and two screws to each side just to keep the sticks in place.  The Rice sight is one piece and uses the windage "ears" for the dual purpose of windage adjustment and to maintain sight alignment. The Rice sight looks to have greater windage adjustment but the Mystery sight appears to have the advantage of dialing in repeatable elevation settings.  Being one-of-a-kind the Mystery sight is the better conversation piece but in my opinion the Rice sight is the more ingenious design of the two.

Close up of a Rice sight from an older thread that screws into the extractor bolt hole and the one on my sporter that uses a bolt and nut to replace the rivet (bolt and nut are not original to this sight).

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Post by butlersrangers » Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:22 am

Ned Butts must be credited for referring to this mystery crafted 'peep' sight as "a Rice sight on steroids", last year.

BTW - I agree with Mavt that the Rice sight is a more practical application of similar ideas.
Also, there's probably a half-pound weight difference between the Rice sight and the 'machinist marvel', but it's cool!

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